John Barrows is joined by guest Thomas Curran, a psychology professor, leading expert on perfectionism and author of "The Perfection Trap: Embracing the Power of Good Enough" which received raving reviews by thought leaders such as Adam Grant. Thomas believes that in a society that increasingly values achievement above all else, we must recognize that perfectionism is not a personal flaw, but a symptom of a larger cultural problem. The conversation dives deep into the roots and impact of perfectionism, the rise of failure aversion in young people, and the societal pressures that contribute to these trends.